LAKE JACKSON, Texas USA — QuickBurst's David Bachelder received more good news this week with a letter of approval from the United States Postal Service, granting him authorization to mail his igniter products as "Toy Propellant Devices/Igniters" using surface mail.

This exemption allows the QuickBurst Twiggy, Slim Gem, Fat Boy, Super Fat Boy, Popper, and Hot Shot igniters to be sent Parcel Post, being classified as UN0454, Division 1.4S.

"This means I can ship my igniters surface mail via USPS and there will be no more HazMat fees," Bachelder said.

"One step at a time," Bachelder added. "Fifteen months of hard work and there is only one barrier left. I hope to get rid of ATF regulations next."

Document: QuickBurst's USPS HAZMAT Exemption Letter (192Kb Adobe PDF)

Website: http://www.quickburst.net/

02-05-2008 10:35 PM  #1
jrcoxx Certified Level Three   Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 166	Re: HAZMAT fees a thing of the past for QuickBurst igniters WOO HOO, way to go David. Congratulations.

02-05-2008 11:10 PM  #2
Steve_Shannon Will fly beer for rockets   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1653	Re: HAZMAT fees a thing of the past for QuickBurst igniters This is excellent news. I appreciate the fact that David is willing to go the extra mile to reduce regulatory requirements for all of us.

02-06-2008 03:47 AM  #3
denverdoc Rana sapiens   Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1732	Re: HAZMAT fees a thing of the past for QuickBurst igniters Indeed, and have such fine products--about time we get some relief on at least one front. Kudos, David.

02-06-2008 06:50 AM  #4
DumasBro2 I Felta Thi Frat Boy   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 200	Re: HAZMAT fees a thing of the past for QuickBurst igniters Great news. Nice to hear good news for a change.

02-06-2008 09:40 AM  #5
rkoenn Certified Level One   Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 15	Re: HAZMAT fees a thing of the past for QuickBurst igniters It is about time someone sensible in the government bureaucracy finally came forth! I guess it is just that the entire government has been overrun with Bushie make-us-safe-from-terrorist types that as a result have made HP rocketry a possible terrorist activity and loaded restrictions on it. And worse is what the vendors now have to do to get their products ok'd in this mess. Anyway, just venting, and Dave, it is great that you managed to put such an effort into getting this done.

02-06-2008 10:04 AM  #6
jsdemar NAR/TRA L3   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 283	Re: HAZMAT fees a thing of the past for QuickBurst igniters David proves you can "fight city hall" if you're persistent enough! Let's hope all goes well with the final step... ATFE exemption.

02-06-2008 10:09 AM  #7
Just Jerry Freeform rockets advocate   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 555	Re: HAZMAT fees a thing of the past for QuickBurst igniters Quote: David proves you can "fight city hall" if you're persistent enough! Let's hope all goes well with the final step... ATFE exemption. Applying for a shipping approval within channels is not fighting city hall. It is applying for a permit from city hall. If the igniters are classified as the same class as Estes igniters, they seem to enjoy the same ATF exemption as the motors they offer at 27 CFR 555.141-a-7. Just Jerry

02-06-2008 10:25 AM  #8
denverdoc Rana sapiens   Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1732	Re: HAZMAT fees a thing of the past for QuickBurst igniters Seems like a good place to offer a reminder that various Loki high power APCP motors are being shipped legally by USPS with no hazmat. Still need a LEUP to receive, but another win for the home team.

02-07-2008 12:58 AM  #9
jsdemar NAR/TRA L3   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 283	Re: HAZMAT fees a thing of the past for QuickBurst igniters Quote: Applying for a shipping approval within channels is not fighting city hall. It is applying for a permit from city hall. If the igniters are classified as the same class as Estes igniters, they seem to enjoy the same ATF exemption as the motors they offer at 27 CFR 555.141-a-7. Just Jerry You are ignoring (or ignorant of) the roadblocks he had to go through. You make it sounds like it's easy as going downtown and paying for a fishing license.

02-10-2008 01:13 AM  #10
2112 New Member   Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 7	Re: HAZMAT fees a thing of the past for QuickBurst igniters Rant warning: Really irks me that I have to have an LEUP for a tiny little "Twiggy" ignitor. Something is out of whack! BATF idiots are paranoid about ignitors??!! A gallon of gasoline and a match are infinitely more dangerous! Rant over. Cheers on no Hazmat fee...but I still can't buy the Twiggy ignitors I need.

02-10-2008 11:10 AM  #11
QuickBurst Certified Level Three TRA   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 45	Re: HAZMAT fees a thing of the past for QuickBurst igniters Quote: Rant warning: Really irks me that I have to have an LEUP for a tiny little "Twiggy" ignitor. Something is out of whack! BATF idiots are paranoid about ignitors??!! A gallon of gasoline and a match are infinitely more dangerous! Rant over. Cheers on no Hazmat fee...but I still can't buy the Twiggy ignitors I need. "A gallon of gasoline and a match are infinitely more dangerous!" Try not to apply logic. There is no room for it. "Cheers on no Hazmat fee...but I still can't buy the Twiggy ignitors I need." Ask a permitted member of your club to do the purchase. He can buy and possess legally. Next he "supervises" your use of them. No laws broken. He's happy, you're happy and I'm happy; everybody's happy. It's a win-win situation.

04-05-2008 10:52 PM  #12
Clark Tripoli L2   Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 15	Re: HAZMAT fees a thing of the past for QuickBurst igniters This is good news. Now can Quickburst use this ruling in fighting the "LEUP needed for igniter" deal? It's funny that you need a LEUP for something that another branch of the government has classified as "Toy Propellant Devices/Igniters" I can see it now. Your honor this man was in violation of possesing "Toy Propellant Devices/Igniters" without the required Low Explosives Users Permit and we are asking that he be sent to prison.

04-05-2008 11:12 PM  #13
ddmobley Administrator   Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 2135	Re: HAZMAT fees a thing of the past for QuickBurst igniters Quote: This is good news. Now can Quickburst use this ruling in fighting the "LEUP needed for igniter" deal? Been there, done that. Apparently aftermarket igniters are illegal but replacement parts igniters are a free-for-all. Does it make sense? No, it's the government, an entity where logic and common sense diametrically opposes rules and regulations. See: http://www.rocketryplanet.com/content/view/2294/28/ Quote: It's funny that you need a LEUP for something that another branch of the government has classified as "Toy Propellant Devices/Igniters" I can see it now. Your honor this man was in violation of possesing "Toy Propellant Devices/Igniters" without the required Low Explosives Users Permit and we are asking that he be sent to prison. Yep, that's pretty stupid. Sounds just about right for Washington, D.C. though...

04-06-2008 08:14 PM  #14
Just Jerry Freeform rockets advocate   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 555	Re: HAZMAT fees a thing of the past for QuickBurst igniters Quote: "A gallon of gasoline and a match are infinitely more dangerous!" Try not to apply logic. There is no room for it. "Cheers on no Hazmat fee...but I still can't buy the Twiggy ignitors I need." Ask a permitted member of your club to do the purchase. He can buy and possess legally. Next he "supervises" your use of them. No laws broken. He's happy, you're happy and I'm happy; everybody's happy. It's a win-win situation. "Substantial Compliance." Jerry