DAllen

This is huge. One of the things I have debated about in buying a new casing is the lack of motor selection for the Pro38 line. I am debating about buying a 38mm 2 grain or a 29/240 AT casing. The AT casing has 5 different motors while the Pro38 only has 2. This announcement makes the decision harder...Methinks one casing of each is the best solution.

-DAllen

Steve_Shannon

I think these loads are for the AMW cases, not the Pro38 cases that CTI makes. Can someone clarify that?

ddmobley

While these particular listings reference AMW hardware, the goal is to "cross-pollinate" AMW propellants into CTI cases and visa versa. The end result should be more choices for all hardware.

It is my understanding that a lot of the propellants were demonstrated in both hardware. Sparky, Red, Black Bear (Smokey Sam) etc.

Anthony Cesaroni

Flown and intended for both.

Anthony J. Cesaroni
President/CEO
Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace
http://www.cesaronitech.com/
(941) 360-3100 x101 Sarasota
(905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto

Steve_Shannon

Thanks Mr. Cesaroni,
That's excellent news. Not to be too dense, but will one load fit either case or are there different loads for CTI ProX cases than for AMW cases (I suspect the latter, but with some ingenuity perhaps the former is possible)

Just Jerry

What interests me is the long gestation period from when this was disclosed to me and when it is now in "pre-release". A time measured in years.

Just Jerry

Anthony Cesaroni

No one could get in touch with you Jerry to get it approved so we just ran with it.

Anthony J. Cesaroni
President/CEO
Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace
http://www.cesaronitech.com/
(941) 360-3100 x101 Sarasota
(905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto

Just Jerry

Facitious comment noted. So what was the delay? I suspect is was not engineering, capitalization, or product market analysis (the market is 3500 club certified and federally and state licensed people nationwide), but compliance and approvals. A product that requires 2 or so years for approval/release requires heavy commitment on the part of the maker. I take it you are very committed.

Just Jerry

Edit added jurisdiction factoids.

CF-105

Does it matter? One does not look a "gift horse" in the mouth. I'm just happy to have some more choices available.

Yeah, cross-brand compatibility was floated at least as far back as 2002 (probably farther, but that's the earliest I recall). Water under the bridge. It's here *now*. Enjoy it. That's what hobbies are for. Enjoying.

denverdoc

Good news indeed. So my question is will both CTI and AMW dealers have access to all the loads? I would assume yes, but thought I'd ask.

Anthony Cesaroni

Actually the regulatory aspects of it could be measured in weeks. That part is routine and straight forward so there’s nothing to read into as far as that is concerned. HPR is not our core business so if anything, I would cite day job priorities and getting around to it more than anything else. Mind you the matrix that the certification bodies have to deal with isn’t trivial.

Anthony J. Cesaroni
President/CEO
Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace
http://www.cesaronitech.com/
(941) 360-3100 x101 Sarasota
(905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto

UncleVanya

Could you describe the two models and how these will differ? As we understand things from eye witness reports the AMW cases have a nozzle adapter that allows what is presumed to be a single use phenolic nozzle to be adapted to that casing to allow for the wide variation of propellant characteristics. What we do not understand is what the model is for former AMW reloads in CTI cases - will these have some type of single use nozzle packaged with them?

Also - will AMW reloads in AMW cases require the graphite nozzles or will they be able to use the presumed single use phenolic nozzle in the adapter to allow them to fly without the graphite nozzles?

Anthony Cesaroni

I’m not aware of former AMW reloads in CTI case models per say. As far as the AMW nozzles are concerned, I believe that both styles can be used where appropriate.

Upcoming releases will cover all the details.

Anthony J. Cesaroni
President/CEO
Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace
http://www.cesaronitech.com/
(941) 360-3100 x101 Sarasota
(905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto

UncleVanya

Assumptions make... well you know.

Sorry for the assumption. I think a lot of people were assuming a lot of former AMW propellant was going to make it into CTI cases. I was really looking forward to a Pro38 Skidmark load. No mess to clean up!

Anthony Cesaroni

You said “ AMW reloads in CTI cases”. That’s different than propellant effects. Sparky and Red Rhino in Pro hardware were flown last weekend and there are more colors are coming. There are also Pro propellants in AMW hardware.

Clear as mud? Personally, I prefer Vmax in skinny rockets. Bang and gone.

Anthony J. Cesaroni
President/CEO
Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace
http://www.cesaronitech.com/
(941) 360-3100 x101 Sarasota
(905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto

UncleVanya

Oy!

At this point I'm going to wait for the movie... Wake me up when it's time for my medication will you?

denverdoc

The I800 looks like a fun one in 38!

TRASEC

I flew a K1965 Pro VMax in an 11 pound 3" rocket. It kicked damn hard. POW and it was gone. It was nice to have the long tracking smoke since I was using altimeter deployment. I would love to get the data on that flight, but it's someplace in the sugar cane on property that was being patrolled so it couldn't be retreived.

Awesome loads. I just couldn't justify a good reason to buy yet another set of motor hardware. I have my justification now.

Very cool. Thanks Anthony and Paul!

Bob Schoner
Secretary - Tripoli Rocketry Assn.

denverdoc

I am looking long and hard at using three of the L2400's in the booster of my 1/2 scale Nike-BB. At nearly a ton of collective thrust, I get the 20gees and then some for scale purposes!

johnnistico

Thank you Anthony.

For what its worth, I will now purchase your hardware and have a ball!

(I can't wait.)

oddboy10

Will there be AMW reloads for the pro 38 1grain case?

Jordan

ddmobley

Yes, there will.

rryan1963

Are there plans to support CTI loads in the AMW case for the 75mm motors?

Thanks
Rob

ddmobley

There are plans to provide CTI propellants in loads for the AMW 75mm hardware.

Johnnie

I notice that most everyone in rocketry have no complaints about gas prices, and most of you are the same ones that are very excited about the merger and what it all means to the hobby...

I wish I could share in the jubilation, but I must say that at $65 for the cheapest AMW J reload, I find myself in this class of people: "that if you have to ask, you can't afford it..."

But I'll ask anyways...will the merger of the technologies mean any kind of price incentive for those of us who wish to fly the product, but just can't justify schilling out $65 for 1.5 seconds of "WooHoo, That Burned Real Good!!!"
Just curious...

Johnnie

what does this have to do about gas prices? Nothing, it was just a comparison, that such financial issues do not seem to bother those that can is all...Damn I feel like Oliver asking "Please sir, can I have some more...?"

Steve_Shannon

Hi Johnnie,
On the AMW site, the J440 is listed for $40.

We are sensitive to the price of gas and the price of reloads. You are not alone.

Art Upton

Hi Anthony,

our three local clubs are served by an on-site Cesaroni dealer and we burn lots of small and large Pro motors.

Will our on-site Cesaroni dealer be able to order the new Pro Case series of AMW/Prox Sparky and Red Rhino reloads from you in his next Cesaroni motor order?

We do not have a local AMW on-site dealer in our tri-state corner area of Indianna, Michigan, Ohio

denverdoc

Johnnie,

Like Steve, and yourself, I am bothered by gas prices along with all of the consequences driving these dinosaurs brings home. Personally I look forward to the day in the not too distant future we can have all electric vehicles that get say the equivalent of 200mpg--now thats based on the current efficiency of about 2 cents per mile fuel costs (10cents per Kw-hr) and neglects that a healthy portion of the 3.00+/gal cost of gas are taxes that will have to be replaced. Will I miss the sound, the acceleration, and the push me back in my seat acceleration my current car has--you bet. But I won't miss the 40.00 fill-up charge.

In fact, have you ever wondered how its getting more and more difficult/inconvenient to pay for gas by anything other than using a card. Sure there were drive-offs--but its a lesson stolen from Las Vegas. Money handling has its own cost--I used to work in a casino--but the real reason slots no longer drop real coins or one has to exchange currency for coin is to make the process more abstract and remove that chunk of painful awareness every time one dips into the wallet for fresh ammo.

Go ahead, laugh, call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think the oil companies have artfully managed to dull our sensibilities to the point we no longer complain during an era of record profits and price gouging.

The weenie politico's do nothing, and someone always manages to remind us that in Europe gas is twice the price or more, so stop your bitchin', there's money to be made. So we borrow $$ from the Chinese to give to the arabs, so we can continue subsidizing "cheap" gas. Does any of it make sense? Not to these old eyes.

The only vote that counts these days is done with the pocketbook. Thats why I'm willing to give up the Vroom, vroom for the whirr, whirr of an all electric vehicle.

As to the economics of rocketry, in my mind has to be a team sport in the sense that if I went out in the field and shot rockets by my lonesome, my wallet and interest would soon be exhausted. But if I go to a club launch and everyone puts up a single J then it's feasible. And another reason I look forward to testing the GMA motors you pointed us to. I don't want to spent even 6 bucks on a commercial BP E. But if one could make loads and recover rockets (cases) such that the amortized cost of an E is a buck or two--it beats a line of bowling IMO.

Johnnie

It was a crappy comparison, I admit it...my 145,000+ mile truck is paid for, so I have no complaits about the gas, even at a mere 17mpg...

I must have missed that load (J440), I guess the loads I really wanted fly were in the higher price brackets.

Johnnie

Steve_Shannon

The main difference is that the J440 is a 38mm load where the $65 loads are 54mm. You find similar price differences in J loads in other brands as well. A 29mm J might be cheaper yet