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Sunday, April 27, 2008

ImageDOYLINE, Louisiana USA — In a powder mill in the piney woods of northern Louisiana, workers of the GOEX Black Powder plant carry on an American tradition, grinding out granules of black powder. GOEX, Inc. is the only producer of black powder in North America.

Their predecessor, E.I. Dupont, was once the largest powder producer in America, and several of the mill's workers are third-generation powder hands themselves, bringing the expertise and experience of their fathers and grandfathers to the process.

GOEX, Inc. has began the process to attempt to have black powder reclassified from an category 1.1 explosive to a category 1.3 explosive, the same class as smokeless powder.  As a class 1.1 product, black powder is closely regulated by the Bureau of Alchohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATF).  While class 1.3 materials are regulated to assure safe handling, they do not fall under the same regulatory scrutiny, record keeping and review.

According to the GOEX website, they "have established a clear scientific basis that black powder, especially sporting powders, are no more hazardous than smokeless powder, and should be regulated similarly."  In order to undertake this process, they are attempting to establish just how much scrutiny from regulators and transportation agencies black powder has generated, along with the costs incurred by consumers, dealers and distributors.

GOEX is asking for individuals to share with them how the 1.1 classification of black powder has imposed a hardship or increased the costs of purchasing and shipping the product.  They are seeking individuals who may have given up their license, or had their federal permit revoked due to black powder regulations.

If you would like to read more about this or contribute your story to their cause, visit the GOEX website.

Website: http://www.goexpowder.com/


Reader comments:
#1 Re: America’s black powder producer seeking regulatory change
I am interested to hear they feel, "Class 1.3 material is regulated to assure safe handling, but does not fall under close BATFE scrutiny, record keeping, or review."

If true, then rocket propellant which at its worst hazard class is 1.3, but typically receives 1.4 by test or exemption, could possibly NOT be subject to "close BATFE scrutiny, record keeping, or review."

Just Jerry
Just Jerry on 04-27-2008 10:57 PM
#2 Re: America’s black powder producer seeking regulatory change
What are the odds they get the NRA on their side?
SpartaChris on 04-28-2008 12:34 AM
#3 Re: America’s black powder producer seeking regulatory change
I ordered 4lbs. of Goex 4F BLack Powder and it shipped as a 4.1 flammable solid. When did it get considered a 1.1 explosive?
Bayourat on 04-28-2008 01:04 AM
#4 Re: America’s black powder producer seeking regulatory change
if the BATFE had been closely watching 1.4 rocketry explosive stuff , half of us would be in gitmo by now.

terry dean
shockwaveriderz on 04-28-2008 01:12 AM
#5 Re: America’s black powder producer seeking regulatory change
Quote:
I ordered 4lbs. of Goex 4F BLack Powder and it shipped as a 4.1 flammable solid. When did it get considered a 1.1 explosive?


Did it come in individual 1 lb cans under a DOT exemption? Otherwise it’s 1.1D.

http://nordics.orica.com/N...lackPowderenAug2006_.pdf


Anthony J. Cesaroni
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http://www.cesaronitech.com/
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Anthony Cesaroni on 04-28-2008 08:34 AM
#6 Re: America’s black powder producer seeking regulatory change
Quote:
I ordered 4lbs. of Goex 4F BLack Powder and it shipped as a 4.1 flammable solid. When did it get considered a 1.1 explosive?


That's a small quantity shipping exemption offered by DOT. If you ship a rail car full of the stuff it ships as 1.1.

Just Jerry
Just Jerry on 04-28-2008 08:36 AM
#7 Re: America’s black powder producer seeking regulatory change
It should be noted that even if black powder is reclassified as a 1.3, it would only impact the area of transportation and shipping. A federal explosives permit would still be required for purchase as well as approved storage for any use other than in black powder historical guns.
ddmobley on 04-28-2008 01:32 PM
#8 Re: America’s black powder producer seeking regulatory change
Quote:
It should be noted that even if black powder is reclassified as a 1.3, it would only impact the area of transportation and shipping. A federal explosives permit would still be required for purchase as well as approved storage for any use other than in black powder historical guns.


Maybe THAT'S what YOUR reply should be to their feedback request. Ask they ask that any use allowed to go 1.3 also be exempt from treatment as a detonable material (which it is not) and as "intended to explode", since both guns and cannons (and rockets) have a big hole on one end and the contents are not "constrained".

Just Jerry
Just Jerry on 04-28-2008 11:28 PM
#9 Re: America’s black powder producer seeking regulatory change
Quote:
Maybe THAT'S what YOUR reply should be to their feedback request.
Does this mean you've already sent yours? If not, ...
ddmobley on 04-29-2008 09:31 AM
#10 Re: America’s black powder producer seeking regulatory change
On a related topic - I noticed that GOEX offers two black powder lines: Regular and Express. The Express stuff sounds like a marketing thing but I was curious if anyone had tried any. Here's the marketing text from the site:

Quote:

GOEX Express Black Powder is a high-performance, premium black powder made of a careful mix of the finest quality materials manufactured to rigorous and precise specifications for cleaner burning and softer fouling performance. Designed for competitive shooters, GOEX Express provides very high velocities for extreme accuracy at long distances with a low standard of deviation. GOEX Express Black Powder is available in Fg, FFg and FFFg and granulated to provide optimum performance in metallic cartridges and shotgun shells.
UncleVanya on 04-29-2008 11:12 AM
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