GORMLEY, Ontario CAN — The CAR Motor Certification Committee has tested and certified six new Pro38® reloads using our new Red Lightning™ propellant.

Cesaroni's new Pro38 Red Lightning motors.

The Red Lightning Pro38's are characterized by a very bright red flame. The burn times are in between those of the Classic™ and Smoky Sam™ motors for maximum enjoyment of the motor burn. All motors feature CTI's adjustable delays and easy ignition system using an e-match and booster pellet. As with all Pro38® motors prep and clean-up times are minimal.

This is the fifth propellant available for our popular Pro38 line: Classic, Smoky Sam, Vmax™ and White Thunder™ reloads were already certified and all remain available. Red Lightning reloads for other CTI hardware sizes will be released shortly. 

Website: http://www.pro38.com/

Pro38® is a registered trademark and Red Lightning™, Classic™, Smoky Sam™, Vmax™ and White Thunder™ are trademarks of Cesaroni Technology Incorporated in Canada.

05-07-2008 08:26 PM  #1
SpartaChris Certified Level Two   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 51	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Wow, this has been up for 3 hours now and not one person has complained about the name of CTI's propellant?

05-07-2008 08:41 PM  #2
heada Certifiable   Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 481	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads What's there to complain about? A name is just that, a name. Performance or effects are what everyone cares about. From the looks of it, the propellant has a nice steady burn and a wide range of performance in the 38mm case size (Mid G to mid J) I'd be happy to launch a rocket using any of these motors. -Aaron

05-07-2008 08:48 PM  #3
SpartaChris Certified Level Two   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 51	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads While I completely agree with you, you know as well as I do that people always find a way to complain about something. For example: When AT announced they were making "AMW Compatible" reloads, the largely pro AMW crowd went nuts and made all kinds of claims and accusations about trying to monopolize the market, ignoring that CTI made and certed AT compatible reloads first. When "Gorilla Motor Works" hit the scene, the AMW fan-boys again went nuts, because of the word "Gorilla" was in the name. When Loki certed a sparky, and AT made a green, more complaints and pot shots were taken. But CTI models the name of their red propellant after Aerotech's "White Lightning" and you hear crickets. Honestly, I could care less. It was just something I happened to notice is all.

05-07-2008 08:55 PM  #4
Just Jerry Freeform rockets advocate   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 566	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads I think the reason is "lightning" wrecks "red". Colors need to be free of metal. Let's see the images. Prove me wrong. No matter what, it is GREAT to see such variety and product quality and convenience and availability for such a small and dimming market! Just Jerry P.S. ALL Tripoli members KNOW that the first and best sparky is Firestarter since LDRS-1990.

05-07-2008 09:09 PM  #5
heada Certifiable   Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 481	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads You'll notice CTI has White Thunder which could be viewed as a play on Aerotech's Blue Thunder. Gorilla Rocket Motors has a "sparky" motor called the Black Lightning as well. I think at this point, everyone knows that the different motor manufacturers are going to be fighting amongst themselves for domination of the hobby market and making a play on words based on each others propellant names/mixes. It no longer surprises me when a new formulation comes out and it has a similar name. Beyond that, there are only so many names you can come up with for a colored flame rocket motor. If Aerotech were to come out with a propellant called SmokeyJack which was basically their BlackJack formulation, I doubt you'd hear much complaining about it now even though it would be plainly a play on CTI's SmokeySam. -Aaron

05-07-2008 10:18 PM  #6
StuBarrett Certified Level Eleven   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 84	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Quote: ALL Tripoli members KNOW that the first and best sparky is Firestarter since LDRS-1990. Jerry, while I really liked the FireStarters (still have a few), to me, the best "sparky" motor was the Silver Streak. Stu

05-07-2008 10:34 PM  #7
StuBarrett Certified Level Eleven   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 84	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Quote: If Aerotech were to come out with a propellant called SmokeyJack which was basically their BlackJack formulation, I doubt you'd hear much complaining about it now even though it would be plainly a play on CTI's SmokeySam. -Aaron FWIW, Vulcan sold Smokey Sam motors for years. Stu

05-07-2008 10:37 PM  #8
Just Jerry Freeform rockets advocate   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 566	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Quote: Jerry, while I really liked the FireStarters (still have a few), to me, the best "sparky" motor was the Silver Streak. Stu Even I admit, that is hard to argue with. Just Jerry

05-07-2008 10:37 PM  #9
oddboy10 Certified Level One   Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 27	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads The only thing I have to complain about is the all reloads have over 62.5 grams of propelent or over 80 newtons avrage thrust except G69.

05-07-2008 11:10 PM  #10
jsdemar NAR/TRA L3   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 292	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Quote: Jerry, while I really liked the FireStarters (still have a few), to me, the best "sparky" motor was the Silver Streak. Stu FireStarters were cool, but I never bought any. I flew a lot of SilverStreaks because there was a nearby dealer (Mike Platt). I think the last one I flew was the H330SS at NARAM 37 in Geneseo. I heard a lot of "what the hell was that!" on the range. -John D.

05-07-2008 11:13 PM  #11
JRogers Janitor in a drum   Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 24	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Quote: I heard a lot of "what the hell was that!" on the range. -John D. We say that all the time when you fly John

05-07-2008 11:14 PM  #12
jsdemar NAR/TRA L3   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 292	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Quote: Honestly, I could care less. It was just something I happened to notice is all. You mean "I couldn't care less"? That was quite a list of gripes (with an anti AMW spin) for someone who "just happened to notice". -John D.

05-08-2008 01:53 AM  #13
Bexclent Certified Level Two   Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 69	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Quote: Even I admit, that is hard to argue with. Just Jerry Mark THAT on your calendars, folks! Jerry isn't going to argue! (no, wait, he said that it is hard to argue with, not that he won't! BUT, he didn't!!!!) PS - no offense Jerry - I read your posts with respect (mixed with a grain of salt.) I just found it unusual/surprising that you stood down, so I had to have a little fun pointing it out!

05-08-2008 02:25 PM  #14
randym New Member   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Quote: Jerry, while I really liked the FireStarters (still have a few), to me, the best "sparky" motor was the Silver Streak. Stu I have to agree also. I just happened to get 6 F104SS motors a few months ago and have flown one. Man was that bright!! I'm saving the rest for a special occasion, not sure what it will be, but will know when it happens. Just wish I could use them at a regular launch.

05-08-2008 04:44 PM  #15
Just Jerry Freeform rockets advocate   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 566	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Quote: Mark THAT on your calendars, folks! Jerry isn't going to argue! (no, wait, he said that it is hard to argue with, not that he won't! BUT, he didn't!!!!) PS - no offense Jerry - I read your posts with respect (mixed with a grain of salt.) I just found it unusual/surprising that you stood down, so I had to have a little fun pointing it out! You lived long enough to see it. Barely . . .

05-08-2008 06:34 PM  #16
SpartaChris Certified Level Two   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 51	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Quote: Jerry, while I really liked the FireStarters (still have a few), to me, the best "sparky" motor was the Silver Streak. Stu OK, that's just bad ass. Who made that or was that EX?

05-08-2008 06:52 PM  #17
SpartaChris Certified Level Two   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 51	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Quote: You mean "I couldn't care less"? Yeah, that. Quote: That was quite a list of gripes (with an anti AMW spin) for someone who "just happened to notice". -John D. And I didn't say I "just" happened to notice. I said "It was just something I happened to notice." The former means that it was some kind of new revelation, where the latter means that I knew about it for a while now and only mentioned it as a thought I had when this story came out. As for the anti-amw spin, I dunno. It was my perception that the guys making the noise were the same guys I see on all of the forums bitching about anything any other motor vendor does that seems like it might step on AMW's toes a little bit.

05-08-2008 07:16 PM  #18
UncleVanya   Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 1465	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Quote: I have to agree also. I just happened to get 6 F104SS motors a few months ago and have flown one. Man was that bright!! I'm saving the rest for a special occasion, not sure what it will be, but will know when it happens. Just wish I could use them at a regular launch. If they were not de-certified for safety then contact NAR about the old motor program. You may be able to get permission to use them at a normal NAR launch.

05-08-2008 07:53 PM  #19
Just Jerry Freeform rockets advocate   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 566	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Quote: OK, that's just bad ass. Who made that or was that EX? Tripoli certified by Rocketflite. Does NAR recognize TRA certified motors on the old motor program? It was cross-certified. Just Jerry

05-09-2008 10:51 AM  #20
UncleVanya   Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 1465	Re: Introducing the Cesaroni Pro38 Red Lightning reloads Quote: Tripoli certified by Rocketflite. Does NAR recognize TRA certified motors on the old motor program? It was cross-certified. Ted Cochran is the person in the know. I have been unable to find anything that says one way or the other.