"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

1600 pounds, over 36 feet tall, eight N motors and one P, Steve Eves' Saturn V is massive.

In the spirit of the theme not because they are easy, but because they are hard, ROCKETS Magazine and The Maryland Delaware Rocketry Association (MDRA) are proud to announce our support of the 40th Anniversary Moon launch of Steve Eve's 1:10 scale Saturn V.
 
This is a massive amateur project by any standard. The rocket will weigh over 1,600 pounds, it will stand over 36 feet tall, and it will be powered by an array of eight 15,000Ns N-class motors and one 50,000Ns P-class motor. The estimated altitude of this single-stage effort will be between 3,000 and 4,000 feet, and the project will be recovered under multiple parachutes at apogee.

As with the original moon program nothing of this scale has ever been attempted, and like the moon program it will take the best that rocketry has to offer. The Saturn V will be a world-record attempt for the largest amateur rocket ever to be launched. The launch date is scheduled for the spring of 2009 to commemorate the quintessential event that has shaped many of our lives and demonstrated what is possible when the best minds and efforts are brought together for a common cause.

The first roll out of the Saturn V will occur on Saturday July 12, 2008 . This event will be taking place at the Hartville Marketplace in Hartville, Ohio. There is a large parking lot that will easily accommodate the crowd safely. The vehicle will be raised into its upright position about 5 p.m.  The rocket will remain in the vertical position for about two hours and then will be disassembled and brought back to the barn.

This operation will test lifting procedures as well as providing an opportunity for photography and public exposure of this world record project. This will be the only time that the massive, 36 foot tall, 1,600 pound Saturn V will be vertical prior to the projected spring 2009 launch date.  Check back to ROCKETS Magazine website an update of this event and look forward to a full report in the upcoming issue of ROCKETS Magazine.

Want to be a sponsor?  Visit this page: http://www.rocketsmagazine.com/saturn-v-project/sponsorship.html

Website: http://www.rocketsmagazine.com/saturn-v-project/

07-12-2008 11:22 PM  #1
Les New Member   Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 5	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V WOW! That looks fantastic! I can't wait to see pictures of it in the raised position! Les

07-13-2008 09:03 AM  #2
Jim Orner Low Power Flyer   Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 11	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Me too. Wow, what an endeavor! Best wishes to Mr. Eve's project. Jim

07-13-2008 11:43 AM  #3
contrailrockets Certified Level Two   Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 42	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V From a size standpoint the only other project of this size was the "Rocketmen Space Shuttle" which was a 1/5 Scale Shuttle using 6 O's. GLOW = 3000# Diameter of the Fuel Tank = 36 Inches Total Height = 36 Feet. Someone with the full details of the project could give more details than that. But for one guy to attempt such a project on his own... Wow. Good Luck and I can't wait to see more on it. Tom

07-13-2008 11:55 AM  #4
Just Jerry Freeform rockets advocate   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1108	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V What "kind" of motors are they and have they been tested? We don't really need YA Mercury Redstone fiasco. Just Jerry

07-13-2008 01:19 PM  #5
Verna Certified Level One   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 24	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Anyone clustering a Saturn V, especially something like this, gets our attention. It all sounds very exciting! I just wish we could be there to watch. Darrell, we're looking forward to a full report on Rocketry Planet. Our best wishes for a great flight! Verna

07-13-2008 01:20 PM  #6
ddmobley Administrator   Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 3189	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: Darrell, we're looking forward to a full report on Rocketry Planet. I agree, this is a must-see!

07-13-2008 01:41 PM  #7
SpartaChris Certified Certifiable   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 127	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V I showed that to my fiancee and her words were, "OK, That's cool!" So now we're talking about taking a trip out there to go check it out..

07-13-2008 01:45 PM  #8
H_rocket Certified Level Three   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 496	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Good lord, a central P surrounded by eight N motors lifting a 1,800 pound rocket. I wonder if I can rent a seismograph to have on the field.

07-13-2008 02:15 PM  #9
Just Jerry Freeform rockets advocate   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1108	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: Good lord, a central P surrounded by eight N motors lifting a 1,800 pound rocket. I wonder if I can rent a seismograph to have on the field. Almost makes you wonder why they didn't simply use a single Q or R, or 5 O's. Almost. Jerry

07-13-2008 03:35 PM  #10
ddmobley Administrator   Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 3189	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Known economies of scale? I asked about why people flew clusters at BALLS when a larger single motor would seem to make more sense. Other than the cool factor defense, there was the fact that working with known motor sizes was more favorable to working with motors of unknown sizes. I guess experience counts.

07-13-2008 03:52 PM  #11
denverdoc Rana sapiens   Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2815	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V I think there might have been a Mythbusters episode which illustrated that principle. I know jack about making motors, but what I have heard is the scaling phenomenon can be quite unpredictable and even more expensive with all the tests. But I personally would have loved a plan to use just 5 motors firing in perfect harmony--(in real life, a 165dB deafening crescendo that killed anything above a cockroach stone dead in something like a 1/2 mile radius)

07-13-2008 04:03 PM  #12
CJK Certified Level One   Joined: May 2008 Posts: 18	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V D__n, that's one awesome project. And of my favorite rocket of all time, since I was a kid glued to the black and white TV in my parents' bedroom, watching the first men walk on the moon. Anybody know where he's planning to launch this? I'll be making the trip, if it's at all feasible. -- Chris

07-13-2008 04:13 PM  #13
rstaff3 Oddroc-eteer   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 195	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Rumor has it the launch will be from MDRA's Price launch site. I missed the Liberty Project launch but hopefully can make this one (assuming it's open to the rank and file). Neil and Bob were up there for the public unveiling...I hope they post some photos and don't make us wait for the next issue of Rockets.

07-13-2008 04:32 PM  #14
Just Jerry Freeform rockets advocate   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1108	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: But I personally would have loved a plan to use just 5 motors firing in perfect harmony--(in real life, a 165dB deafening crescendo that killed anything above a cockroach stone dead in something like a 1/2 mile radius) I could design them five O or P motors that run at 3000 psi to approximate that. I can even design them smokeless if needed. Just Jerry

07-13-2008 05:07 PM  #15
Chuck_Rudy Banned   Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 223	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: I agree, this is a must-see! So we're gonna see you there? Incognito no doubt. Chuck

07-13-2008 05:09 PM  #16
denverdoc Rana sapiens   Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2815	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Heady Days. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24v8zRaXLiY Those F1's were marvelous. As to the config, another thought occurred to me that maybe they are hedging their bets--instead of 4 outboard O's, they use a pair of N's in case of misfire, cato. Less influence on the flight. Just a guess.

07-13-2008 06:56 PM  #17
ddmobley Administrator   Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 3189	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: Incognito no doubt. Absolutemundo!

07-13-2008 07:36 PM  #18
Chuck_Rudy Banned   Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 223	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: Absolutemundo! If we can recognize you in your disguise we'll have a beer for you after the event. The after event will no doubt have a buttload of benchlaunching, laughs and revisiting of the launch. Chuck

07-13-2008 08:17 PM  #19
Just Jerry Freeform rockets advocate   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1108	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: Absolutemundo! I'll hide behind him. Human shield.

07-13-2008 08:47 PM  #20
Chuck_Rudy Banned   Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 223	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: I'll hide behind him. Human shield. If you're both incognito and I dont' recognize ya I'll have a lot of beer to take back home......or I could pitch a tent. Chuck

07-13-2008 08:49 PM  #21
ddmobley Administrator   Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 3189	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: I'll hide behind him. Human shield. Just don't stand too close. I don't want to hear any jokes about how happy I am to see you and is that a rocket in your pocket.

07-13-2008 09:08 PM  #22
Chuck_Rudy Banned   Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 223	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: Just don't stand too close. I don't want to hear any jokes about how happy I am to see you and is that a rocket in your pocket. If ya can't feel a P in your chest, you're not close enough. Ditches are your friend and trees are a real life saver......we always have an escape plan, believe it or not. I have a plan to sacrifice one camera to make for a very historic shot. If it works out it could be cool, or just a mess. Chuck

07-13-2008 09:09 PM  #23
ddmobley Administrator   Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 3189	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V I was talking about Jerry standing too close to me, not me to the Saturn V.

07-13-2008 09:24 PM  #24
Chuck_Rudy Banned   Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 223	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: I was talking about Jerry standing too close to me, not me to the Saturn V. Ah.....perhaps it should be "is that a wienie in your pocket?" Chuck

07-13-2008 09:59 PM  #25
Just Jerry Freeform rockets advocate   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1108	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Chuck, you are being silly on all the threads. Back in the day when we flew asphalt perchlorate rockets at Smoke Creek, we would place good old film cameras with string lanyards about 200 feet to each side of the rocket taking off. We attached the lanyards to the rocket so when it took off it snapped the picture. Got some really good pictures that way!! Just Jerry

07-13-2008 10:18 PM  #26
Chuck_Rudy Banned   Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 223	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: Chuck, you are being silly on all the threads. Back in the day when we flew asphalt perchlorate rockets at Smoke Creek, we would place good old film cameras with string lanyards about 200 feet to each side of the rocket taking off. We attached the lanyards to the rocket so when it took off it snapped the picture. Got some really good pictures that way!! Just Jerry Jerry If you believe for a little bit I am serious you are sadly mistaken. I don't take myself too seriously, I only get ornery when someone does something so immensely stupid they should be removed from the gene pool, or only allowed to fly Estes motors. I'm not looking for a snapshot in this case, but a full clip of a historic shot. Its' possible but I don't have NASA's money to destroy cameras and it wiil be a one time shot. I will no doubt melt or carbon up a camera. I have a time constraint of 45 minutes......with a project this large that may be miniscule. I will always have a story about how I tried and fried a camera. Chuck

07-13-2008 10:39 PM  #27
Chuck_Rudy Banned   Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 223	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: Chuck, you are being silly on all the threads. Just Jerry Jerry I have seen too many times in this hobby people get caught up in their own importance. Makes me ill, but I just make a joke of it an move on. We only roll around on this rock once so why act stupid/mad/insullent/annoying/ignorant? Life is waaay too short. When I see a moment and something makes me laugh I'll take advantage of it, I don't have the immense seriousness of others. You will only see me act stupid when someone attempts to hurt other people, whether by physical action or jurisdictional action. You want to act like a dope and try to avoid the world of common sense? You're in the gunsight. Otherwise all is cool. If you've done your homework and all is accounted for within the best of your abilities and the resources avalilable then so be it. Accidents will happen despite the best of planning, it's when accidents happen with stupidity as a planner I get torqued. I believe this project will have the best of planning and I will, no doubt, be standing closer than anyone. Chuck

07-13-2008 10:59 PM  #28
Just Jerry Freeform rockets advocate   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1108	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: I only get ornery when someone does something so immensely stupid they should be removed from the gene pool, or only allowed to fly Estes motors. I'm not looking for a snapshot in this case, but a full clip of a historic shot. Its' possible but I don't have NASA's money to destroy cameras and it wiil be a one time shot. I will no doubt melt or carbon up a camera. Chuck I am trying to meet your Estes criterion, but my rockets keep not blowing up. I saw a Hi-Def (HD) solid state video camera the other day for about $615. I can rent a Red One with 4K resolution (full theatrical digital) for about $300 a day. By 2009 both might be cheaper/better. For a rocket in close proximity you do NOT want a Hard Drive or helical scan. You want solid state. The drop sensor in Hard Drive cameras are triggered by proximate firings. Helical scan gets jiggly and I have videos to prove it. If you really fear harming the camera you can put a Lexan sheet in front of it or if you are well connected, a quartz viewer in a blast shield. Jerry Humor impaired

07-14-2008 12:00 PM  #29
Chuck_Rudy Banned   Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 223	Re: ROCKETS Magazine and MDRA to sponsor 36’ Saturn V Quote: I am trying to meet your Estes criterion, but my rockets keep not blowing up. I saw a Hi-Def (HD) solid state video camera the other day for about $615. I can rent a Red One with 4K resolution (full theatrical digital) for about $300 a day. By 2009 both might be cheaper/better. For a rocket in close proximity you do NOT want a Hard Drive or helical scan. You want solid state. The drop sensor in Hard Drive cameras are triggered by proximate firings. Helical scan gets jiggly and I have videos to prove it. If you really fear harming the camera you can put a Lexan sheet in front of it or if you are well connected, a quartz viewer in a blast shield. Jerry Humor impaired I could see returning a crispy, melted camera to the folks I rented it from. Sort of like the old days of renting the Hertz Shelby GT-350H.....ya brought it back at night so they couldn't see the lack of tread on the rear tires from a full day of burnouts. We'll see what happens, as I don't know how long I'll have to set things up or if I would be in the way. My work is past tertiary, I'm way down on the list. One of the new HiMotion 600fps cameras would be very cool for pad cam..... We need some video of your stuff. Share the files, it's all about enjoying the hobby....... Chuck