IRVING, Texas USA — Roadrunner Rocketry Inc. has begun selling the F45 and E25 single use motors directly to consumers, making the motors easier to obtain for flyers without local dealers. Orders of 10 or more motors also receive special pricing that more than offsets shipping charges and allows volume purchasers to buy Roadrunner motors at a price below suggested retail price approximating the street price available from launch site vendors.

Roadrunner-Direct pricing for small quantity orders of 3 to 9 motors will be list price with a shipping charge of $10.

Roadrunner-Direct orders of 10 to 28 motors will have a shipping charge of $14 and be priced as follows. The F45, list price of $14.95 is sold Roadrunner-Direct for only $12.95; the E25, list price $12.95, is sold for $10.95.

Accordingly, the minimum 10 motor purchase, with shipping included, results in a net per-motor price slightly below list price. The maximum 28 motor purchase results in all-in prices of $13.45 for F45s and $11.45 for E25s.

Although Roadrunner believes the best place to purchase model rocket motors is from your local dealer, not all rocketeers or clubs have access to Roadrunner dealers. Roadrunner believes Roadrunner-Direct is a compelling offer to consumers who do not have access to Roadrunner motors, for small clubs, or for those clubs with small fields inappropriate for larger Roadrunner motors.

Roadrunner will ship Roadrunner-Direct™ motors twice per month (near mid and end of month) via US Postal Service Parcel Post. Order early to allow for this and for postal delivery times. Be sure to fill out the order forms completely to avoid delays.

For more information and order forms, go to www.RoadrunnerRocketry.com.

11-18-2008 09:57 AM  #1
R2K Certified Level Three   Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 294	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Cool motors, would love to try them some day. If they didnt cost twice as much as my reloads, with half the variety, I would.

11-18-2008 12:00 PM  #2
SecretSquirrel Nutty   Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 209	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers I guess there's no pleasing some but these are well priced, reliable single use motors.

11-18-2008 12:22 PM  #3
ddmobley Administrator   Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4553	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Did Barry Tunick authorize you to say that?

11-18-2008 12:25 PM  #4
H_rocket Village Idiot   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 705	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Wonder why he only offered those two. His G-80 is one kick butt SU.

11-18-2008 12:34 PM  #5
rstaff3 Oddroc-eteer   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 326	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers I haven't been satisfied since I could get G80FWLs delivered to my door for under $10 a pop Anyway, I've only flown two RR motors but they seemed to work as advertised. I wonder if the sale items are the less popular motors out of his line?

11-18-2008 12:40 PM  #6
billspad none   Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 168	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Sometimes convenience is worth the extra money. That 29mm E25 is nice when you're on a small field and want to fly something you'd normally put an F or G in.

11-18-2008 12:47 PM  #7
SecretSquirrel Nutty   Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 209	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Quote: Did Barry Tunick authorize you to say that? Oh, I didn't ask him, do you think I should have?

11-18-2008 12:48 PM  #8
ddmobley Administrator   Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4553	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Quote: Oh, I didn't ask him, do you think I should have? Nah, just clear it with his "spokesman".

11-18-2008 12:59 PM  #9
Rocketflyer Just L2   Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 17	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Quote: I guess there's no pleasing some but these are well priced, reliable single use motors. True. Flew some at NARAM 50 for the first time. Really good SU's The F 45's will kick an AT Cheetah up there. The F60 is an out of sight flight.

11-18-2008 01:00 PM  #10
rstaff3 Oddroc-eteer   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 326	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Quote: Sometimes convenience is worth the extra money. That 29mm E25 is nice when you're on a small field and want to fly something you'd normally put an F or G in. I was thinking that about the F45.

11-18-2008 07:08 PM  #11
QuickBurst Certified Level Three TRA   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 62	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers I flew a 3XG-80 cluster a few weeks ago. The Roadrunner G-80's were great.

11-18-2008 09:41 PM  #12
n5wd NAR L1   Joined: May 2007 Posts: 102	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Quote: Wonder why he only offered those two. His G-80 is one kick butt SU. Ya think it might have something to do with HAZMAT shipping charges? Maybe Don knows... or, if Bob (Roadrunner) is at the DARS launch on Saturday, I guess I could ask him. (Where does HAZMAT kick in?)

11-18-2008 09:52 PM  #13
heada Certifiable   Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 1222	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers I think it kicks in at 30 grams of propellant. Somewhere in the E/F range. -Aaron

11-18-2008 10:03 PM  #14
rstaff3 Oddroc-eteer   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 326	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Ahhh, that sounds like the likely reason. Without looking I believe the F45 is smaller than the F60 in terms of total impulse and length, which would be consistent with propellant weight. I suspect someone is checking....

11-19-2008 10:11 AM  #15
QuickBurst Certified Level Three TRA   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 62	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers I believe you guys nailed it. Propellant weight in grams: E25R - 30 F45R - 20.6 As you can see both above are under the 30 gram USPS limit. F60 - 38.1 G80 - 54.7 The motors above would not qualify for the USPS exemption. RR would have to reconfigure the grains to ship larger motors. For instance use two grains in the G-80, each weighing less than 30 grams. Then of course they would have to be re-certified and expense goes up. Bob usually plans carefully, he may be working on something new? Aerotech did it.

11-19-2008 10:22 AM  #16
n5wd NAR L1   Joined: May 2007 Posts: 102	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Quote: RR would have to reconfigure the grains to ship larger motors. For instance use two grains in the G-80, each weighing less than 30 grams. Then of course they would have to be re-certified and expense goes up. But, these are single-use motors, pre-packaged and ready to go. Don't think reconfiguration is an option.

11-20-2008 08:44 AM  #17
QuickBurst Certified Level Three TRA   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 62	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Depends, if they are slot burners reconfiguration is not an option. If on the other hand they are core burners, reconfiguration shouldn't be a problem. I'm sure Bob knows what he can and can not do, I was just thinking outloud.

11-20-2008 09:04 AM  #18
H_rocket Village Idiot   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 705	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Not sure why Slot burners would be a problem. AT ships the G76 slot burner in a 2 grain configuration.

11-20-2008 11:22 AM  #19
n5wd NAR L1   Joined: May 2007 Posts: 102	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Quote: Depends, if they are slot burners reconfiguration is not an option. If on the other hand they are core burners, reconfiguration shouldn't be a problem. Umm... OK, I'm going to show how little I know about the shipping stuff... (agreed about Bob knowing what he's doing - this is just a question about shipping motors in general that I'm apparently confused about). I would think that the exemption for under 30 grams would be "per unit" (or, per motor in total for a prepackaged single use motor, or per envelope or container or baggie for reloadables). Is that correct? If so, how can a pre-packaged single-use motor be broken up into small enough parts that it meets such exemptions? Wouldn't shipping it in component parts negate the single-use certification and/or advantage to the user (i.e. I can't easily mess things up if all I gotta do is stick in an igniter)

11-20-2008 01:13 PM  #20
plano_doug NAR L2   Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 94	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Quote: Umm... OK, I'm going to show how little I know about the shipping stuff... (agreed about Bob knowing what he's doing - this is just a question about shipping motors in general that I'm apparently confused about). I would think that the exemption for under 30 grams would be "per unit" (or, per motor in total for a prepackaged single use motor, or per envelope or container or baggie for reloadables). Is that correct? If so, how can a pre-packaged single-use motor be broken up into small enough parts that it meets such exemptions? Wouldn't shipping it in component parts negate the single-use certification and/or advantage to the user (i.e. I can't easily mess things up if all I gotta do is stick in an igniter) Hi, Wayne, As I understand it, the 30g limit applies to each individual package. For two separately packaged grains (for example) each has a limit of 30g. In the case of a SU motor, the motor case is the package, and hence the 30g limit applies to the entire motor. This is the basis for the LMS motors, as I understand it. AT can ship, via USPS, and hence sans hazmat fees, two grains, each in separate wrappers, from which the user can assemble a motor > 30g. IOW, motors > 30g can be shipped USPS as long as they are "broken up into small enough parts". Thus, SU motors must be 30g or less while LMS/RMS motors can be more than that, as long as the individual pieces are 30g or less. Doug .

11-21-2008 08:45 AM  #21
QuickBurst Certified Level Three TRA   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 62	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers You are correct, I was mistaken. I believe the grains have to be individually packed and be under 30 grams. My bad.

11-21-2008 09:58 AM  #22
n5wd NAR L1   Joined: May 2007 Posts: 102	Re: Article: Roadrunner begins Roadrunner-Direct™ sales to consumers Doug: OK - that's what I had remembered from the earlier discussions here and/or other fora and wanted to make sure I understood the regs correctly. David: No problem - I was just trying to figure out how reconfiguring one of Bob's larger motors could be done to come in under the 30g limit.