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RASAero comparisons with in-flight measured subsonic, transonic, and supersonic CD
News Release by Rogers Aeroscience   
Wednesday, May 04, 2011

ImageRogers Aeroscience is pleased to announce the addition of RASAero comparisons with in-flight measured subsonic, transonic, and supersonic drag coefficient (CD) data to the RASAero web site. Comparison of the RASAero predicted power-off CD and in-flight measured power-off CD for two of the Adrian Adamson Violent Agreement rockets have been added to the site.

The rockets were flown with Featherweight Altimeters Raven altimeters, with the rocket CD's measured during the coast phase of flight based on the on-board measured axial acceleration and the burnout mass of the rocket. For the Violent Agreement SS Sustainer rocket good agreement was obtained between the RASAero predicted power-off CD and the in-flight measured power-off CD for mid-to-high subsonic Mach numbers, transonic Mach numbers, and supersonic Mach numbers up to Mach 2.4.

The RASAero comparisons with in-flight measured subsonic, transonic, and supersonic CD data can be found on the RASAero web site on the Comparisons with Flight Data page. Special thanks to Adrian Adamson from Featherweight Electronics for providing the flight data and the rocket data for the Violent Agreement rockets.

The RASAero authors are always looking for flight data to compare our altitude predictions and drag coefficient predictions against to help further improve the accuracy of our flight simulations. Flight data from rockets flown with barometric altimeters, GPS altimeters, and accelerometers, in-flight measured drag coefficient data based on measured on-board axial acceleration; are all being actively sought by the RASAero authors. Note that it is important for the accuracy of the flight data that the rocket have been weighed prior to launch for an accurate liftoff weight. The flight data and rocket information can be sent to the e-mail address below.

Additional information on the RASAero software can be found on the RASAero web site at www.rasaero.com.  The RASAero authors, Charles E. (Chuck) Rogers and David (Coop) Cooper can be contacted at This email address is being protected from spam bots, you need Javascript enabled to view it .

Chuck Rogers
Rogers Aeroscience


Reader comments:
#1 Re: Article: In-flight measured CD comparisons added to RASAero web
Quote:


What I see here, and in virtually all Cd prediction software, is that supersonic Cd is reasonably well rendered. The subsonic plateau is reasonably well rendered. Sometimes all of that is very well rendered.

It all falls down at slower speeds, where traditional model rockets spend most of their time. Predicted Cd drops quickly with speed, and flight Cd curves drop more slowly. This is true, not only when vertical ascent is assumed, but also when accelerometer data are adjusted according to barometric data.

It looks like this software is very useful in big time and mid range rockets.

Kudos.

-LarryC
LarryC on 05-05-2011 03:57 PM
#2 Re: Article: In-flight measured CD comparisons added to RASAero web
The disagreement you're seeing at very low speeds is likely an inability to measure the drag accurately on a percentage basis when the drag values are so low. And although models spend a lot of time below 50 or 100 mph, they lose very little of their momentum to drag at those speeds. If the graph were drag force as a function of velocity, rather than Cd vs velocity, everything on the left side of the graph would look a lot less important.

And yes, definitely kudos to Chuck and others. RASAero is the most accurate sim I've used.
Adrian A on 05-05-2011 05:20 PM
#3 Re: Article: In-flight measured CD comparisons added to RASAero web
Are there plans for RASAero to support multistage rockets? I feel like this is almost a necessity, as the envelope pushing that the software is designed inevitably includes staging.
Marsman on 05-05-2011 09:27 PM
#4 Re: Article: In-flight measured CD comparisons added to RASAero web
Quote:
The disagreement you're seeing at very low speeds is likely an inability to measure the drag accurately on a percentage basis when the drag values are so low. And although models spend a lot of time below 50 or 100 mph, they lose very little of their momentum to drag at those speeds. If the graph were drag force as a function of velocity, rather than Cd vs velocity, everything on the left side of the graph would look a lot less important.

And yes, definitely kudos to Chuck and others. RASAero is the most accurate sim I've used.


Adrian,

If that were true, one could make accurate predictions of altitude for low power rockets using this kind of software. Altitude, after all, can be measured reasonably well. Results of such predictions are normally poor.

Regards
-Larry
LarryC on 05-06-2011 06:25 AM
#5 Re: Article: In-flight measured CD comparisons added to RASAero web
Larry,

Have you actually tried? Results for low power rockets with RASAero are usually pretty good.
cjl on 06-03-2011 09:35 PM
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